Turner Rd and Bernard St - Proposed speed limit, safety and traffic signal changes

Council is responding to community concerns about traffic and safety in Turner Rd, Highett and Bernard St, Cheltenham.

Council is seeking your opinion on three separate projects in the area to slow traffic and improve safety:

  • Project 1: reducing the speed limit along Turner Rd, Highett from 60 km/h to 50km/h
  • Project 2a: reducing the speed limit along Bernard St, Cheltenham from 60 km/h to 50km/h
  • Project 2b: installing speed cushions near Parnell Street and Rosewarne Avenue
  • Project 3: the option of changing OR upgrading the traffic signal on Bernard St near Wingrove St Cheltenham.

Please note: we welcome your feedback on one or all of the projects.


Project 1: Reducing the speed limit along Turner Rd, Highett from 60 km/h to 50km/h

In response to community concerns regarding the speed limit along Turner Road in Highett, Council is proposing to change the speed limit from 60 km/h to 50 km/h.

All speed limits in Victoria are governed by VicRoads and an important consideration in any speed limit change is the community’s feedback on the proposal.


Project 2: Reducing the speed limit along Bernard St, Cheltenham and installing speed cushions near Parnell Street and Rosewarne Avenue

Council is responding to community concerns about the speed limit along Bernard Street and safety when accessing the parking spaces outside the shops between Parnell Street and Rosewarne Avenue, Cheltenham.

The 50km/h speed limit is consistent with similar Council managed roads and will help to improve safety and amenity in the area. The proposed speed humps will enhance safety outside the shops as well as helping pedestrians to cross the road using existing centre refuge islands.

All speed limits in Victoria are governed by VicRoads and an important consideration in any speed limit change is the community’s feedback on the proposal.

Bernard Street and Parnell Street

Bernard Street and Rosewarne Avenue

Project 3: Bernard St Cheltenham, changing OR upgrading the traffic signal near Wingrove St

Background:

Council is responding to community concerns regarding the pedestrian operated signal crossing on Bernard Street, near Wingrove Street, Cheltenham. Community concerns include frequent failures of the signal hardware and drivers failing to stop at the signal.

Council Action:

Council has conducted an investigation of the pedestrian operated traffic signal crossing, including inspection of the hardware and conducted a pedestrian volume survey. Results indicate that the hardware is old and requires an upgrade.

Previously, the crossing served a nearby school which no longer exists. As such, the current pedestrian and traffic volume does not meet the level required for a pedestrian operated signal crossing. An informal pedestrian crossing is much better suited in these circumstances. Due to the lack of pedestrian volume, drivers don’t expect the signal to turn red, which leads to a large number of drivers failing to stop at the signal.

Council acknowledges that the pedestrian crossing has been operating at the location for a long time, and it forms a path for regular users to cross Bernard Street which has a high traffic volume. As such, we would like your feedback regarding two proposed alternatives:

Option 1: Retain and upgrade the essential hardware of the pedestrian operated traffic signal crossing to improve the reliability of the hardware.

Option 2: Replace the pedestrian operated traffic signal crossing with an informal pedestrian crossing. This would include a staged centre refuge island and possible speed humps at the approach of the crossing. Four parking spaces would also be reinstated. Please see image below for option 2 design.


Have Your Say

Input on the projects is welcome by 5pm Friday 25 October 2019.

Please complete the survey below, or leave a comment in our guestbook.

Please note: all questions on the survey are optional, you are welcome to comment on one or all of the projects.


Further Information

For further information please contact the Traffic & Transport team on 1300 653 356.

Council is responding to community concerns about traffic and safety in Turner Rd, Highett and Bernard St, Cheltenham.

Council is seeking your opinion on three separate projects in the area to slow traffic and improve safety:

  • Project 1: reducing the speed limit along Turner Rd, Highett from 60 km/h to 50km/h
  • Project 2a: reducing the speed limit along Bernard St, Cheltenham from 60 km/h to 50km/h
  • Project 2b: installing speed cushions near Parnell Street and Rosewarne Avenue
  • Project 3: the option of changing OR upgrading the traffic signal on Bernard St near Wingrove St Cheltenham.

Please note: we welcome your feedback on one or all of the projects.


Project 1: Reducing the speed limit along Turner Rd, Highett from 60 km/h to 50km/h

In response to community concerns regarding the speed limit along Turner Road in Highett, Council is proposing to change the speed limit from 60 km/h to 50 km/h.

All speed limits in Victoria are governed by VicRoads and an important consideration in any speed limit change is the community’s feedback on the proposal.


Project 2: Reducing the speed limit along Bernard St, Cheltenham and installing speed cushions near Parnell Street and Rosewarne Avenue

Council is responding to community concerns about the speed limit along Bernard Street and safety when accessing the parking spaces outside the shops between Parnell Street and Rosewarne Avenue, Cheltenham.

The 50km/h speed limit is consistent with similar Council managed roads and will help to improve safety and amenity in the area. The proposed speed humps will enhance safety outside the shops as well as helping pedestrians to cross the road using existing centre refuge islands.

All speed limits in Victoria are governed by VicRoads and an important consideration in any speed limit change is the community’s feedback on the proposal.

Bernard Street and Parnell Street

Bernard Street and Rosewarne Avenue

Project 3: Bernard St Cheltenham, changing OR upgrading the traffic signal near Wingrove St

Background:

Council is responding to community concerns regarding the pedestrian operated signal crossing on Bernard Street, near Wingrove Street, Cheltenham. Community concerns include frequent failures of the signal hardware and drivers failing to stop at the signal.

Council Action:

Council has conducted an investigation of the pedestrian operated traffic signal crossing, including inspection of the hardware and conducted a pedestrian volume survey. Results indicate that the hardware is old and requires an upgrade.

Previously, the crossing served a nearby school which no longer exists. As such, the current pedestrian and traffic volume does not meet the level required for a pedestrian operated signal crossing. An informal pedestrian crossing is much better suited in these circumstances. Due to the lack of pedestrian volume, drivers don’t expect the signal to turn red, which leads to a large number of drivers failing to stop at the signal.

Council acknowledges that the pedestrian crossing has been operating at the location for a long time, and it forms a path for regular users to cross Bernard Street which has a high traffic volume. As such, we would like your feedback regarding two proposed alternatives:

Option 1: Retain and upgrade the essential hardware of the pedestrian operated traffic signal crossing to improve the reliability of the hardware.

Option 2: Replace the pedestrian operated traffic signal crossing with an informal pedestrian crossing. This would include a staged centre refuge island and possible speed humps at the approach of the crossing. Four parking spaces would also be reinstated. Please see image below for option 2 design.


Have Your Say

Input on the projects is welcome by 5pm Friday 25 October 2019.

Please complete the survey below, or leave a comment in our guestbook.

Please note: all questions on the survey are optional, you are welcome to comment on one or all of the projects.


Further Information

For further information please contact the Traffic & Transport team on 1300 653 356.

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With regard to the traffic lights , would it not make sense to relocate these to be nearer to the shopping strip?

peter dimeck 8 days ago

Changing Bernard St to a 50km zone would seemingly have little impact given it is a 40kph zone during the peak school time anyway. I agree with Gerald, that driver behaviour in the area suggests that changing speed limits will do little to improve safety. Time and money would be better spent addressing the large trucks on local streets including Argus Street and Friendship Sq, vehicles driving the wrong way around Friendship Sq and vehiles speeding through the children's crossing on Argus street, particularly during busy school times and sports days. There is little adherence to the 40km speed zone around local schools, so reducing the speed limit on Bernard st to 50km seems pointless.

Local resident 19 10 days ago

In regards to Bernard St pedestrian lights.Council says... "Due to the lack of pedestrian volume, drivers don’t expect the signal to turn red, which leads to a large number of drivers failing to stop at the signal." I say... - New lanterns would be great but simply pointing the current lanterns at the drivers would be even more of a sensible response (this is basic maintenance). We just want to see working signals, this entails: - buttons that work first press, and can be operated by the elderly and children - lanterns that are bright enough and can be seen by drivers - - other than that, I'd like to see ripple strips 50m before the crossing to warn drivers of the lights ahead.

ScottD 11 days ago

Council says... "Due to the lack of pedestrian volume, drivers don’t expect the signal to turn red, which leads to a large number of drivers failing to stop at the signal."I say...- New lanterns would be great but simply pointing the current lanterns at the drivers would be even more of a sensible response (this is basic maintenance).We just want to see working signals, this entails:- buttons that work first press, and can be operated by the elderly and children- lanterns that are bright enough and can be seen by drivers- - other than that, I'd like to see ripple strips 50m before the crossing to warn drivers of the lights ahead.

ScottD 11 days ago

No to reducing speed limit. Yet another example of local government overreach where it is not necessary. Leave your ratepayers alone.

TomV 14 days ago

NO to reducing speed limit. It will only annoy the good drivers while the bad drivers will just continue to speed just like they've ignored the 60 speed limit. What make you think they will slow down when they see 50 when they dont even care about the 60?

Gerald 14 days ago

Turner Road, putting speed limit to 50 wont change anything, the problem with Turner Road is the Football Oval when they use the oval for football and further up towards Nepean Hwy, Too many cars parked on the street.

ANNETTE OLIN 15 days ago

There is NO point putting the speedlimit down to 50, It is the Impatient Drivers, The Terrible Drivers who can't understand the driving law,you can put the speed limit down to 20 and it wont change Bernard street.The only way is to put speed humps down like you did in Herald and Willson Street.As I Live on Bernard street and see it Every Day.

ANNETTE OLIN 15 days ago

As a resident of Peace Street, who utilises Turner Road every single day, I believe that changing the speed limit along Turner Road is not the answer to the significant congestion issues we are facing, particularly on weekends due to the football games at the Highett ovals. The width of the road only allows for one vehicle to safely pass through parked cars on either side, which results in traffic weaving in and around each other. Twice I have had my side mirror hit due to oncoming traffic attempting to squeeze through. Reducing the speed limit is not going to help this issue as the traffic is already crawling due to the congestion. I believe that it would be best to restrict the parking in specific sections along Turner Road in order to provide "pull out zones" for vehicles to pass each other safely.

Alice Digby 17 days ago

Thank you Kingston Council for consulting with your residents.Please do not reduce the speed limit to 50km/hr as the residents of Bernard St will cop up endless speeding fines for driving 54 or 55kms/hr in their own street. We already have the school with 40kms/hr during school times. It is useless to have the speed limit reduced to 50 on Bernard st.Also, we don’t want speed cushions: there are buses and high volume of cars driving 24/7 on Bernard St. the reverbations, shaking and movement will affect the households at close proximity of the speed cushion. This is very de-stabilising for households and the stumps. It’s like having mini earthquakes at repeated frequencies 24/7.Traffic Islands are welcome as they deter cars from hooning or speeding.We need pedestrian crossing white lines marked on the asphalt, as well as to mark lines on Bernard st outside the shops so the traffic coming does not collide with cars reversing out from outside the shops.Please change the open lids on top of the bins outside the shops on Bernard St, to have the bins with a dome as the crows ravage through the food through the opening of bins. The dome on top of the bin will deter the crows from making a mess in the driveways and on top of our roofs.Thank you and kind regards,C.E. Bernard St, Cheltenham

Claire Emmanuel’s 19 days ago

Turner Rd is approximately 10 metres with resident and visitor parking on both sides of the road. When vehicles are approaching from opposite directions they need to weave in and out between parked cars in order to pass. Having a speed limit of 60 is too fast for a narrow street. Given there is also playing fields for children it would be more appropriate to also have speed bumps to slow traffic down. Turner Rd is treated as a short cut rather than a residential street.

Kevin McDonnell 20 days ago

All bad ideas and will only cause inconveinience and lower livability. I've lived here long enough to realize that Council is quick to approve multi-story complexes which increase population and their rates, but are only prepared to put a band-aid on traffic issues it causes. I agree with Aleko's long explaination below, which in summary states; " It makes little sense to impede the convenience and liveability of residents and businesses for a decision which will have marginal if any effect on safety, and if anything will further congest the local area."and"Speed cushions" are an abhorrent means of managing motorists. ....... inconveniencing road users who will do the right thing anyway, they're proven to cause undue wear to vehicle undercarriages and suspension components. To dampen the usability of a road which is as essential and practical for both locals and non-locals alike, when the pace of the road is just fine, would be a misuse of tax payer funding."and finally," I probably speak for the majority of residents when I say we do not want our neighbourhood turned into another Prahran, with daunting, unaccessible, and dangerously narrow roads, littered with speed bumps, islands and other distractions and hazards further congesting the neighbourhood."As Traffic managers there at Kingston, how about you do some further studies and present the results of why these streets are actually dangerous in the first place.

Brendan Davey 23 days ago

I support the reduction of the Turner Rd speed limit from 60 to 50 - long overdue. I also would support the speed reduction in Bernard St as since the traffic lights have been installed at Bernard St / Warrigal Rd the volume of traffic has increase dramatically as it is now used as a thoroughfare and no longer just local traffic.I also believe that the pedestrian signals should be upgraded (including overhead lights) as this crossing is used by many school children as well as elderly. To say motorists go through the red lights because they do not expect them to change is utterly rediculous, if they are competent drivers they should be aware of all lights and crossings! Speed humps should only be installed if they are capable of slowing down all vehicles - 4WDs included.I also agree that the parking in front of the shops in Bernard St should be re-oriented to 45 deg so as to allow drivers better vision when reversing out of these parks.Having lived in the area for over 20 years I would also think it was about time that the School zone was updated with illuminated signage for school hours - there are many drivers such as myself who no longer have school age children and are not always aware when school holidays are.

Tony Logan about 1 month ago

Hi.As a mum of an 1 yo and 4 yo, who attend Kids Company, and members of Waves we walk with the pram, bike (and 2 dogs) down these busy streets almost daily.On numerous occasions the pedestrian traffic signals have turned red with drivers continuing to fly through as we've started to cross. It definitely requires something that attracts more drivers attention. Trying to cross Bernard St at either of the island refuges near the shops is safe, but still takes a long time waiting for suitable breaks in the traffic going both ways.Perhaps a 50 or 40 zone only needs to be relevant for the shops part to cope with the perplexing parking actions some people make, and difficulty in backing out with limited vision. It's not necessary for the whole length of the street.PS. The new local traffic only sign on the industrial end of Christensen Street has not done a thing to alleviate the commercial traffic and hooning tradies.Thanks.

Matesse about 1 month ago

I fully support speed limit reductions, any treatment should also include the parallel streets, to ensure speeding traffic doesn't divert from Turner Road / Bernard Street.Bernard St is quite busy at many times of day, with businesses and the school running through there -- as such, lower speeds are appropriate, and 50kmh is used in many high traffic business areas such as Nepean Hwy, without congestion; Further, many users of Turner Rd don't follow the posted limit, we routinely see cars and motorbikes speeding at 70-90kmh, a 50km limit won't affect this behaviour, only traffic calming devices will.Speed Cushions don't appear to be ideal -- they are unpopular with drivers especially on busy roads, and cause traffic noise; Other measures (eg. Curb Extension/Road Narrowing combined with a Speed Table) will be more effective at reducing speed, more comfortable for drivers, preferable for buses and least disruptive to adjacent residents; I believe they would be more appropriate at two or more places along Turner & Bernard, located to impact side street traffic also.

Kris Treagus about 1 month ago

I support the speed limit reductions, any treatment should also include the parallel streets, to ensure speeding traffic doesn't divert from Turner Road / Bernard Street.Bernard St is quite busy at many times of day, with businesses and the school running through there -- as such, lower speeds are appropriate, and 50kmh is used in many high traffic business areas such as Nepean Hwy, without congestion; Further, many users of Turner Rd don't follow the posted limit, we routinely see cars and motorbikes speeding at 70-90kmh, a 50km limit won't affect this behaviour, only traffic calming devices will.Speed Cushions don't appear to be ideal -- they are unpopular with drivers especially on busy roads, and cause traffic noise; Other measures (eg. Curb Extension/Road Narrowing combined with a Speed Table) will be more effective at reducing speed, more comfortable for drivers, preferable for buses and least disruptive to adjacent residents; I believe they would be more appropriate at two or more places along Turner & Bernard, located to impact side street traffic also.

Kris Treagus about 1 month ago

I struggle with the logic of removing a pedestrian crossing and replacing with an "informal" pedestrian crossing. If we need a crossing make it a proper crossing, maybe with flashing amber lights so traffic can move on if no-one on the crossing - same as Beach Rd, Black Rock.Speed cushions and speed humps are a pain and dangerous if not adequately lit at night.If there is an issue of speeding, how about some enforcement of the speed limits, and catch those that are causing the problem, instead of inflicting issues on everyone else

RJ about 1 month ago

I support the slow down on Bernard. My concern as a resident living off Wingrove is that the traffic will flow but it might make it harder to enter traffic on Bernard. Can we get an upgrade of the pedestrian lights to include a sensor to activate a red signal that allows us to join Bernard.

Cath about 1 month ago

We do not need to lower the speed limit here.Speed limit reductions from 60 km/h to 50 km/h were done using old data based on older vehicles with much poorer stopping power than most vehicles on the road these days.There are school zones speed limits that apply for school times.There is no need to lower the limit on this strip the rest of the time.

Gabriel about 1 month ago

I have lived on Turner Rd directly across from the reserve for about 10 years and there is definitely an issue with speeding on this road. Day and night you will find quite a few reckless drivers travelling way above the speed limit from the top of Turner Rd down to Chesterville Rd. These drivers and/or riders clearly do not care about the speed limit as you can hear them racing past at speeds over 80kmph. There have been multiple near misses with children an people enjoying the amenities due to these speedsters but it never seems to stop them racing their vehicles along it at all hours of the day and night. There are always loads of people and families and children in this area due to the ovals, the footy club, the park, the dog park, the MCH centre and Waves and it is fast becoming a very dangerous road for everyone.With this in mind I do not believe changing the speed limit will change their behaviour at all. The only way to stop this reckless and life threatening behaviour is to install speed bumps along Turner Rd in particular outside the footy club and ovals an WAVES which will force their law breakers to slow down and provide the safety around these family friendly areas.

KJ Jones about 1 month ago