Moorabbin Reserve Draft Park Plan 2016-24

I agree that there is an absolute need for public toilets anywhere where there is a play,bbq area.

I disagree that the Perry St park should be combined with the other playground. The Perry St park is widely used and would be sorely missed if relocated. It is in a great location to be upgraded. Please include shade sails as should be standard on all children's play areas in our harsh sun.

If there is not room for a ropes course etc together with the Perry St park, then it should be included as currently planned. Please ensure there are concrete paths to all children's play areas and these areas are always accessed by people with prams and children on bikes, scooters etc.

Please do no put a permanent fence up anywhere as this will hinder the use of the public of the area when games are not being played. As it is a public open space, the easier to access, the better.

Please also ensure the bbq/picnic/play areas are adequately lit as these are always areas targeted by loitering youths at nights and vandals etc need to be deterred. Please also ensure the car park is adequately lit as it is very close proximity to residents along Linton st and Gwenda and Perry st.

Definitely a need for public toilets. I note there are none in the draft plan. I am not a fan of the permanent fencing as this limits the use and access of the ground for local residents when there are no special events running.

Additionally, I can see there should be a focus on lighting for pathways, particular areas,etc. The northern park area is used a lot by residents at night coming from Moorabbin railway station and walking through the park to their homes. This is very dark at night and could potentially be seen as a security/increased crime risk.

Vehicle space and use will definitely be an issue with the combined residential development at the Harvey Norman site. I missed voicing my concerns re this area as the amount of parking allocated to that proposed development was grossly underestimated. The increase in traffic using those facilities as well as this new reserve redevelopment, and the return of St Kilda FC, will increase vehicular traffic immensely. It appears this has not been factored in or underestimated.

Overall though I think it is a step in the right direction.

Overall, this is a fantastic plan for the redevelopment of the precinct - designed as an open, inviting, interactive space where a number of activities can coincide. So the idea of additional permanent fencing - be it partial of whole - is anathema to this design principle, and to community usage.

This is compounded by the fact that the only user group that wishes for fencing to be installed is also the smallest financial contributor to the redevelopment and only intends on utilising the restricted access on a handful of weekends a year.

Please reconsider additional fencing - and capture the full support of the local community to this great initiative.

I agree with most comments regarding access for our community/residents, especially the disabled, elderly who look after their grandchildren, mothers with prams etc. Every single path to ALL areas/amenities should be colour paved. No gravel paths as they are dangerous to everyone!
There should more seats, toilets & drink fountains. Dog water fountains are essential too. Another picnic & shelter area could be near Doonga Avenue entrance which might alleviate the impact from residents of the 400+ units who will invade our open space! Moorabbin's population is already exploding with the monstrosities going up everywhere.

The Junior Playground is a great asset to all young families in the area who walk their children to the park. However access through the old & unfriendly fence AND inside the park is very difficult for elderlies on motorised scooter who are looking after their grandchildren. Fence & gates should be replaced and colour concrete paths made to accommodate these regular visitors.

Also why does the STKFC need to accommodate junior leagues from around the state to train here? Traffic will be a nightmare in our small yet hugely congested Linton Street which will cater for yet another overdevelopment.

Yes do get friendlier ideas from other parks such as Murrumbeena, Bright Splash Park mentioned elsewhere and Youth & Fitness equipment such as the one in Wanda Street Mulgrave before you go ahead with this barren plan - make it Moorabbin Family Friendly Park!

Some very valid comments about solid / paved surfaces and toilets. I agree that the playgrounds should be closer or integrated better. The plans seem to indicate the "senior" area is a simple rope tower and the younger children's area doesn't even appear to include a shade sail, let alone slides. It is a little simplistic to ask for feedback on this sort of investment without views from the ground or better detail on what constitutes a playground. Have a look at Murrumbeena Park or even Halley up on Jasper Rd.

I agree with Kylie. Toilet facilities would definitely be an asset in the park.

I think the two playground areas should be in the same location with bbq's, shelter and toilets. It doesn't make sense to separate these two facilities. By combining them will enhance interaction between families and children and also save construction costs by not having to double up on facilities at each location. The junior playground is also surrounded by roads which is not idea.

Other asset which would greatly benefit the area is will the redevelopment of the st Kilda football club include a nice open café. The area has so much potential and redeveloped correctly will greatly enhance the appeal of the area. Its the one thing Moorabbin lacks is a attractive social area. The current shopping/café area around the supermarket tired, busy with traffic and not appealing location to have breakfast/lunch/dinner.

Sorry noted the extra drinking fountains _ great.

It is not appropriate to have a BBQ area in an off leash dog area.
There are no descriptions of the plantings. What plants do you expect to grow on top of the mound? These are high wind areas. What is the budget for park maintenance?
Not enough water\ drinking fountains for what will become a high use area when Harvey Norman converts to residential.
Not enough quality prep for ground before plantings. Most trees need the rumble layer broken up so they are less surface rooted and the area can support denser planting.
I know it is too late but training for football until 10pm involves lots of players yelling at each other. I can't see how this is different to patrons in the car parks yelling.

The main concern is the redevelopment of the Harvey Norman site with 400 + units and this will be the green area for the new residents as well as the existing residents why is there a training ground this should be developed as park area for the locals and not just AFL.

Speaking of which is provision for other sports for other groups and residents in the new development or is it AFL. Girls, boys young families and the elderly do not have some where local to go and play sports. This is will become more important with the new hospital at TAFE. Can the residents use the redevelopment of the building or is this just AFL. This is residents own the assets not a code of football.

I would like to see the training area treed and developed so that we all have bar b ques, picnics available for everyone to use.

I cannot see any toilets in the plan as the images are blurry when zoomed in on a phone.
Toilets are a must with small kids!
Also, many councils have wonderful splash parks, however there are none this side of Melbourne - please, Kingston, put in a splash park somewhere - our beaches are not always good to visit (poor water quality some days) and splash parks are wonderfully inclusive for kids with disabilities

There needs to be a main concrete access path from Doonga Avenue to the northern end of the Reserve.

It's fine if the other paths are gravel.

But the Reserve gets very wet after heavy rainfall. It's very flat, and drainage is poor.

Other significant parks/reserves within the Kingston City Council's jurisdiction, such as Bicentennial Park in Chelsea, have one main concrete path, and otherwise gravel paths.

It strikes the right balance, between ensuring that people with mobility issues and reliant upon wheelchairs and scooters, can traverse the park on any day of the year, rain, hail or shine.

Increasingly, as an increased proportion of our community become elderly and reliant upon mobility aids, access to public space becomes a more important issue.

Many people may be unaware, but people relying upon scooters and wheelchairs also need these within their homes.

You wouldn't walk around your home in a pair of muddy wellies, would you?

Think about it.

There are also people with disabilities quietly and productively going about their lives within close proximity to the Reserve. It's much more difficult for them to be heard, including by way of public forums like this, than perhaps you realise.

The Reserve is a great community asset, to be shared by all of us in the community.

Proper access to all members of the community is really important, to create an environment we all want to share.

A proper concrete pathway, permitting all people to use the Reserve on any day of the year is really important.

Here's looking forward to a great community facility, for everyone.

Would be great to have a coffee shop/cafe on the grounds somewhere. Similar to this one in Armadale - https://www.facebook.com/cubbyhousecanteen It is so great for young families in the area to have a place where they can take the kids to play and for the mums to socialise and have a coffee!!!

It would be great to have a junior playground in the main park. The park and plans look amazing but the big missing thing is a playground. The currently located junior playground to be refurbished is outside the main parkland where residents will be using which has no easy access for children as they will need to cross the rd (linton st) to get to. Doesnt it make sense to have shelter, bbq's, open space and playground all in the same vicinity? When familites are cooking bbq's and having picnics, its would be great to have facilities to the junior kids in the same area. Im a dog owner and use the parkland to walk my dog off leash every day, its a massive parkland with plenty of space for everyone and all facilities ie. a playground. When the SKFC comes back to Moorabbin in 2018 and the facilities become busy and Linton St becomes a busy traffic way, it doesnt make sense for a local community to have a junior playground seperated by a busy road from all the other wonderful new local facilities that will be put into the parkland.

Hi Chris,
I am advocating for five residents who reside two houses up from the reserve. These individuals only mode of mobility when accessing the community is either by using an electric wheelchair or manual wheelchair. They have resided here for over fifteen years and would like to access this area if it were more wheelchair accessible. Currently they can only access the social club.
Regarding the paving on the walk ways could consideration be made regarding the surface areas , particularly regarding the 2.5 route. The preference would be coloured concrete. This would enable them to have more independence. For those who use manual chairs there is more resistance with gravel and they would have less access after days of rain when there would be "slush" and puddles. Another inconvenience for the them is the gravel gets caught in the tread of the electric wheelchairs which is then transferred to the carpet and flooring in their home. They cannot brush /wipe their shoes as we are able to. On behalf of all individuals with a mobility issues, I ask that that the surface of the walkways be considered to allow everyone the right to access these proposed improvements. Inclusiveness is what community is all about. Hamish

There is a clear pedestrian desire line between Margaret St and Horsecroft Pl. The route is used so much that there is a well defined "goat track" and the route is also marked in Melway. The route is the main connection between the residential area, TAFE/Hospital east of the reserve and the Moorabbin activity centre and railway station. Looking at the draft, this desire line isn't intended to be formalised into a defined pathway. Ideally, this route would also have lighting.

Hi Chris and Others
We live right on the edge of the park and oval area in Ashlar road and will be directly affected by the development. I also have a dog and i am thankful that the off leash area will not be affected. Please stick to this promise.
Regarding the fences i am certainly for Option C - No Fences at all. Being that fences go up anyway option A for style because they are harder to climb and vandalise. The fence gaps should be made as wide as possible if they go ahead.
Also what sort of fence is going around the training surface and will the public have access